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BlackwatchPlaid

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Who has a slow turntable belt?
« on: March 31, 2018, 11:28:05 AM »
Hi.

We have 2 rips on site of the same album.  BRJ 18 - John Scott - Lifes Ritual.  One by a8detective, and one by Retronic.  Both have different speeds.  I was wondering if anyone knew the correct tones that should be on this album so it can be determined who needs to adjust their belt.

[soundcloud]https://soundcloud.com/user-695896879/habitat-retronic1[/soundcloud]

[soundcloud]https://soundcloud.com/user-695896879/habitat-a8detective[/soundcloud]

Which one is correct?

stackjackson

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Re: Who has a slow turntable belt?
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2018, 12:41:14 PM »
Good question. Over the years I've run across this same issue so many times. Vinyl rips are as diverse as the equipment, each their own signature, which is interesting when you think about the history of vinyl listening.
Think about how different classic songs may have been heard at home vs. how they were broadcast on the radio, for example. Subtle differences in speed create a different listening experience, and in some cases a different song altogether.
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BlackwatchPlaid

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Re: Who has a slow turntable belt?
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2018, 01:01:28 PM »
That's a real philosophical point of view, and an admirable one at that.  However, 33⅓ is 33⅓.  There is one correct speed.  I once remember a vinyl ripper on the hiresmusic blog had a slightly slow belt on his Bergmann Audio Magne turntable and this got pointed out to him and all ripping stopped for like 6 months so he could suss out the problem and get an overpriced replacement part for his overpriced turntable.  I should hope that sound reproduction is taken seriously and one would want their reproductions to be correct.

stackjackson

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Re: Who has a slow turntable belt?
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2018, 01:08:09 PM »
However, 33⅓ is 33⅓.  There is one correct speed.

Yep, and that's true as well ;)
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Greta

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Re: Who has a slow turntable belt?
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2018, 01:10:00 PM »
I'm not a tech one, but listening to the two tracks, the A8 one seems faster. So, if a belt is slow could be the Retro's one.
Or, is it possible A8 has a too fast belt? Haha...
We have techy guys onboard. We might wait their opinion.
Obviously, the answer could be the digital archive file from the company site, but BRJ 18 has not been released yet..
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Re: Who has a slow turntable belt?
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2018, 01:28:40 PM »
Good question. Over the years I've run across this same issue so many times. Vinyl rips are as diverse as the equipment, each their own signature, which is interesting when you think about the history of vinyl listening. Subtle differences in speed create a different listening experience, and in some cases a different song altogether.

yeah i'm sure there's a huge chunk of records i've downloaded that were ripped with slightly off set-ups. doesn't really bother me, unless it's crazy different. to this day i won't ever play Delegation's "Deuces High" at the correct speed, cause i originally listened to a sped up version for years. now whenever i put it on the turntable i speed up the tempo, haha.

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Re: Who has a slow turntable belt?
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2018, 01:31:53 PM »
doesn't really bother me, unless it's crazy different
me neither
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Re: Who has a slow turntable belt?
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2018, 09:25:54 PM »
The Life's Ritual album's been commercially released by Vocalion on CD - you should be able to compare and contrast with their version (I'd do it myself, but I think my copy's on loan to someone at the moment!)

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Re: Who has a slow turntable belt?
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2018, 09:53:22 PM »
Itís possible mine is from the CD actually as Iíve ripped both LP and CD and didnít check which it was. It was on my Walkman FLAC portable thingy and I wouldíve wanted the best version so may have ripped the CD but labeled as the original LP.

Dick Turpin

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Re: Who has a slow turntable belt?
« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2018, 01:05:31 PM »
Hi.

We have 2 rips on site of the same album.  BRJ 18 - John Scott - Lifes Ritual.  One by a8detective, and one by Retronic.  Both have different speeds.  I was wondering if anyone knew the correct tones that should be on this album so it can be determined who needs to adjust their belt.

Which one is correct?

That's an interesting point and I'm not sure that it might be a belt problem. Here is an interesting case with Keith Mansfield's New Dimension (Conroy BMLP 145) and the run times of the vinyl do not match those of the digital downloads. The Vinyl rip I have clearly matches the run times with that of the vinyl cover however the digital downloads do not and are of a different tempo. The number in red are the run times on discogs and there is a pic of the cover to prove the run times are correct, NB click thumbnail pic for full size. The run times in grey are the run times of the digital download version.



So the question is has the tempo been increased for later re-releases or was the vinyl tempo dropped from that of the original master tapes ?


For further comparison here is a screen shot of the first track Moogie Boogie with the digital download on the top and the vinyl rip on the bottom using Audacity, note the Vinyl ripper didn't do the levels correctly as it's clipped. Quite a difference in tempo can be clearly seen, NB again click for full size.





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stackjackson

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Re: Who has a slow turntable belt?
« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2018, 01:36:40 PM »
This is getting more interesting by the day...
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