Author Topic: Bruton Vaults  (Read 2135 times)

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Re: Bruton Vaults
« Reply #15 on: August 03, 2020, 02:11:00 PM »
Ok being the audiophile I am, i'm going to complain about the treatment they gave "Pop Vocals". In short, they screwed it up with a shit ton of compression and dynamic blasting. Why can't they be like KPM and Omni and leave the mastering as it was on the original master tapes?

The audio goes in and out on every beat it's so compressed. A big letdown. It's like the more modern the remasters are, the worse they get. And this goes for more than library classics being murdered. Even classic commercial albums as well. Not sure about the others as I haven't grabbed any of the other reissues as of yet, but this is my report on that 1. People can make their own judgement.
its called preset mastering, people who are not educated enough just pastes mastering "fx" chain for every track, adjusts gain and thats it .
Some scam reissue labels were "re-mastering" youtube downloads.... what to say...

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Re: Bruton Vaults
« Reply #16 on: August 03, 2020, 02:48:30 PM »
Ok being the audiophile I am, i'm going to complain about the treatment they gave "Pop Vocals". In short, they screwed it up with a shit ton of compression and dynamic blasting. Why can't they be like KPM and Omni and leave the mastering as it was on the original master tapes?

The audio goes in and out on every beat it's so compressed. A big letdown. It's like the more modern the remasters are, the worse they get. And this goes for more than library classics being murdered. Even classic commercial albums as well. Not sure about the others as I haven't grabbed any of the other reissues as of yet, but this is my report on that 1. People can make their own judgement.
its called preset mastering, people who are not educated enough just pastes mastering "fx" chain for every track, adjusts gain and thats it .
Some scam reissue labels were "re-mastering" youtube downloads.... what to say...

Crikey... even I was doing it more attentively than that when I first got my Magix Audio Cleaning Lab software around 2007! I saw the "auto remaster" option and immediately thought, no way! I would instead spend ages with Magix and also with Cool Edit Pro, getting the declicking and dehissing set just right so all nasty noises were removed but the music was preserved. Manually declicking could take hours... and often did!

With master tapes, surely it doesn't require much work... the original tapes would be pretty good to start with. Just a very small dehissing would be all that's required.
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Re: Bruton Vaults
« Reply #17 on: August 04, 2020, 02:28:19 AM »
     Thank you for these BWP. I'm happy the original covers are included.

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Re: Bruton Vaults
« Reply #18 on: August 04, 2020, 04:15:03 AM »
With master tapes, surely it doesn't require much work... the original tapes would be pretty good to start with. Just a very small dehissing would be all that's required.

Actually computerized dehissing is a big no no. That damages the audio big time giving it a digital underwater sound (as I call it). With the master tape mixdowns there's usually little to no hiss anyhow when working with the original 15 or 30 ips reel the sessions were mixed down to. Which you usually had 2 copies. One straight mixdown and one vinyl cutting master where EQ's were adjusted for vinyl pressing.

All that might be needed if using the straight mixdown master is a little EQ adjustments on the lows and highs for CD or digital download re-issues. In many cases, the secondary vinyl cutting mixdown masters still exist, and with those, it's just a simple straight flat transfer with no tinkering to do it right (like how the early CD's were from 1982 - 1993 or so before they began this "loudness" junk).

I was a mixdown and mastering engineer for almost 25 years, worked for a few different independent labels in that time, and this is how I always did things when it came to master tape sourced material.

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« Reply #19 on: August 04, 2020, 10:27:18 AM »
If the dehissing is kept to a low level it doesn't generally give you that "underwater" sound. I once heard a track on a CD which was obviously a 1940s/50s recording which was so badly remastered it was impossible to listen to. It was just a gargling noise.

On many of my recordings I only dehissed the blank space at the start, the fade at the end, and any silent or very quiet passages.

The declicker is another potential source of trouble, especially with brass instruments. It distorts brass sounds... especially trombones for some reason.

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Re: Bruton Vaults
« Reply #20 on: August 04, 2020, 09:41:12 PM »
Super to find these in lossless...thank you very much for this awesome share BWP!

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Re: Bruton Vaults
« Reply #21 on: August 05, 2020, 11:29:15 AM »
I re-recorded BRH 11 again today for a comparison. It doesn't sound hugely different to my ears.


www.mediafire.com/file/kkeijois64t2333/file


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Re: Bruton Vaults
« Reply #22 on: August 05, 2020, 03:40:04 PM »
If the dehissing is kept to a low level it doesn't generally give you that "underwater" sound. I once heard a track on a CD which was obviously a 1940s/50s recording which was so badly remastered it was impossible to listen to. It was just a gargling noise.

I now remember it was a Percy Faith CD but I cannot remember the title. Maybe one of you may know the CD in question? I got rid of it as the standard of remastering was so bad. I cannot believe anyone heard it and passed it as OK for inclusion on a commercial release. I just wish I could remember the name of the CD.

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« Reply #23 on: August 24, 2020, 07:59:25 PM »
Many thanks for these awesome shares!

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« Reply #24 on: August 31, 2020, 06:11:29 PM »


Thank you BWP, for reupping some of these Bruton Vaults, and adding several more since last time.

Now I have a question about these, especially since I can find little info online about these Bruton Vaults.

I'm aware of the Bruton Vaults Anthology series, but...
 
  • Why did Bruton, or the copyright owner, see the need to reissue these old Bruton recordings, just under a different label/category designation?
  • Especially since so many (or all?) of these old Bruton vinyls had previously been reissued on CD?
  • And why, aside from the APM listings, is finding additional info in re: Bruton Vaults so damned difficult?
  • I mean, what's the major difference/s between a Bruton Vaults reissue v. an original Bruton LP vinyl rip of the same music & title
    (besides that tired cliche "New and Remastered")? ::)

Sometimes, the newest and greatest can be neither.

I'm not attacking BWP or these Bruton Vaults upgrades, if that's what these are. I'm just looking for a compelling reason for the existence of these Bruton Vaults recordings, especially since (once again) many of the original LPs had already been reissued on CD. I just don't want to be downloading simply because "it's there."

Can some knowledgeable ripper/collector please bring me up to speed on what's what?
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Thanks in advance for taking the time and effort to help me understand.  ;)

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Re: Bruton Vaults
« Reply #25 on: August 31, 2020, 08:18:47 PM »
I thought the Bruton Vaults series were downloads, taken directly from master tapes... are you saying they are vinyl?

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Re: Bruton Vaults
« Reply #26 on: September 01, 2020, 08:17:01 AM »
Originally they were released as vinyl records, yes. The Vaults series were overcompressed brickwalled versions of the recordings used to make those records. The series is strictly downloads, yes. But each release is just a renaming and brickwalling of another full title, they aren't compilations.

Re: Muff Diver, The reason for the existence of these collections is why not? How many collections and compilations have you seen in the library world? Not to mention the re-arrangement of full albums with re-accreditation to some new pseudonym, like a full Jack Trombey (Jan Stoeckart) album (DWSLP 3323) being re-released under the moniker Raskovich (SQLP 20012)... I think these titles were treated as commodities rather than unique pieces.

I think the big reason for the need to have these titles is because Bruton is not the copyright holder. APM is the copyright holder these days, a major conglomerate library label that owns most of the smaller libraries. EmiPM was what KPM MusicHouse was turned into, taken under the wing of the APM family. I think APM wants a set of compilations around the hugely popular Bruton catalogue of its own.
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Re: Bruton Vaults
« Reply #27 on: September 01, 2020, 10:33:38 AM »
I renamed my Bruton Vaults folders to the original LP numbers and titles, and included the original artwork.

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Re: Bruton Vaults
« Reply #28 on: September 01, 2020, 02:57:06 PM »
Oh no, they're brickwalled?  That sucks.

That's always a reminder not to delete rips of lps once you have a remaster.

If I remember correctly when I listened to Valentino remasters, they were horrible. 
My thoughts were "did the person who did this even care about what they were doing?"

To any music companies reading this:  Send us your old recordings and we'll do it properly for you, probably for free!

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Re: Bruton Vaults
« Reply #29 on: September 02, 2020, 12:17:16 AM »
What's brickwalling?  :o