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CharlieBucket

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The dividing line
« on: November 06, 2021, 11:41:11 PM »
Where do y'all make your stand?

Where does this awesome music end and Muzak begin...?!?

I kid, but you know there is a dividing line. HA! ;D :o :D

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Re: The dividing line
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2021, 01:08:38 AM »

stackjackson

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Re: The dividing line
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2021, 02:43:14 AM »
What's wrong with Muzak? :D
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CharlieBucket

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Re: The dividing line
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2021, 05:12:19 AM »
C'mon guys, you know what I'm saying. I grew up with "Muzak" being this horrid, soulless elevator music made up mainly of terrible "lite" cover versions of popular favorites of the day.

This stuff you're posting here (doing the lord's work if you ask me!) is far, far superior and in no way resembles that same name of "Muzak".

I guess my attempt at praise and humor fell flat. Oh well, they can't all be winners. But to all of you on this board, I thank you!!! You're keeping some very important music alive and well. Thank you for all you do!

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Re: The dividing line
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2021, 11:12:46 AM »
For me the line blurs- I guess your taste changes the more your exposed to.
A lot of the stuff I listen to I'd be flicking on if I had friends around for dinner and I had music playing on random. 

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Re: The dividing line
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2021, 12:33:52 PM »
For me the line blurs- I guess your taste changes the more your exposed to.
A lot of the stuff I listen to I'd be flicking on if I had friends around for dinner and I had music playing on random. 
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Re: The dividing line
« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2021, 02:29:26 AM »
Well, I guess it's time to revisit some actual Muzak albums for your listening pleasure. Enjoy the real McCoy.




H-1(1) 80 - Stimulus Progression 1 (1969)
H-1(1) 80 - Stimulus Progression 2 (1970)
SLP 8980 - Stimulus Progression 4 (1972)
SAAB 1343-44 - Nick Perito - Stimulus Progression 5 (1973)

LINK: mega.nz/file/NMh1hQBL#qwuPUrt69MxTlF-8T66esaAymt_Q9YQGWn3NYJHM3Es
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Re: The dividing line
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2021, 11:37:52 AM »
Thanks, stackjackson for these interesting Muzak examples. I think it is all a matter of taste. Everybody can draw its own dividing line.

If you disapprove Muzak because it was specially done for commercial purpose think about that:
almost any commercially successful music was done with money in mind. When I was young I was one of these guys who had low opinion about "commercial music". But a lot of the highly successful music from the 70's and 80's tried to be different and strictly non-commercial to cater to their special consumer group. E.g. Black Sabbath weren't devil worshipers at all, this was just a scam to make their music more interesting. Also, Pink Floyd (maybe with the exception of Syd Barrett) were a purely commercial band. The same with Genesis, even in the early years. Maybe Peter Gabriel was one of these "different" people who are just driven by a force they can hardly control which they force them to make music at all cost. That's probably why he left Genesis. But did he make better music in his solo-career than the leftover of the Genesis group? I think is a matter of taste. A last example of purely commercial music: The soundtrack of "Hair" and the whole "Hair" thing such as the musical and the motion picture. This was specially done for hippies that didn't want to be "consumers"...

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Re: The dividing line
« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2021, 01:34:54 PM »
Original "Muzak" from maybe the 60's and early 70's I will agree was mostly horrid, soulless and boring. But, as you entered into the mid - late 70's through the entire 80's, custom Muzak changed and became more or less light Disco and Funk with orchestra...sometimes even making crappy or cheesy commercial hit tunes of the era into instrumental library like gems.

Here in America, we had custom Muzak libraries such as Bonneville Broadcast and SRP which kicked some mean ass. Even some UK library legends such as Nick Ingman and Syd Dale got into these 2 libraries over here. One of the greatest of the Bonneville so called "Muzak" was Lex DeAzevedo. Way back in the early 2 versions of the community I posted some of Lex's work. Most of it is now commercially available digitally.

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Re: The dividing line
« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2021, 08:45:24 PM »
I guess for most, if not all, there is some music that is just too maudlin, syrupy, cheesy or whatever to bear, however what that is will likely vary, and it will likely not only be a matter of degree, but also of kind.
I'm both one of the biggest fans of Easy Listening, some of which is likely unbearable to others, but also one that does not suffer "bad" Easy Listening easily, either. Waldo De Los Ríos is a case in point. I love some of his output, and hate some of his other output, namely his albums turning classical standards into pop.

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Re: The dividing line
« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2021, 06:08:27 AM »
Thank you, StackJackson! Look forward to listening. And thank you to all who responded. Once again, I've been schooled and am better for it! Cheers, mates. Keep on digging and exploring. Love, love, love this site and all you deep divers. Best regards!

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Re: The dividing line
« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2021, 07:57:09 PM »
For me the line blurs- I guess your taste changes the more your exposed to…
+1

Speaking of … "+1" …

Has LMT considered adding a "Like" feature to the forum software? I'm not a fan of facebook-izing things online, but I do think a "Like" feature would boost peoples' engagement here & make it easier to encourage people & recognize contributions.

I did a quick check online, and there are ways to add "Likes" to Simple Machines Forum software (which LMT is based on). Looks like there are mods for doing that, and possibly the upcoming 2.1 update. Clearly some work- and I don't know who's involved with that.

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Re: The dividing line
« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2021, 11:28:58 PM »
Having thought about Charlie Bucket's original post, I do actually have a bit of a dividing line with library music - my interest falls off a cliff from round about 1984 (with a few notable exceptions).  I am happy to admit this is entirely my problem not theirs, but there's something about the production methods, the sounds, and also it seems to me like the libraries became less distinctive - with 60s and 70s tracks, I can usually tell a de Wolfe from a KPM from a Chappell etc, but once the 80s really kick in it all becomes a bit of a mush.

I have tremendous admiration for those who can hear a 90s or 2000s track and say 'Oh yes, that's an Atmosphere' or 'That's a Killer Trax' - I just can't do it!
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Re: The dividing line
« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2021, 12:43:40 AM »
I do actually have a bit of a dividing line with library music - my interest falls off a cliff from round about 1984 (with a few notable exceptions)…

I wouldn't say it exactly like that… but mid-80s is when all-in-one electronic production/sophisticated sampling really started taking off. I usually find that kind of production less compelling -- for me, mid-80s tends to be a dividing point.

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Re: The dividing line
« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2021, 12:20:09 AM »
For me the line blurs- I guess your taste changes the more your exposed to…
+1

Speaking of … "+1" …

Has LMT considered adding a "Like" feature to the forum software? I'm not a fan of facebook-izing things online, but I do think a "Like" feature would boost peoples' engagement here & make it easier to encourage people & recognize contributions.

I did a quick check online, and there are ways to add "Likes" to Simple Machines Forum software (which LMT is based on). Looks like there are mods for doing that, and possibly the upcoming 2.1 update. Clearly some work- and I don't know who's involved with that.

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